Optimism

The saying used to go: You’ve got two chances — Buckley’s and None.

I was always told it was based on the homophone department store Buckley and Nunn, combined with the older expression Buckley’s chance, which was probably from William Buckley, convict who escaped into the bush and was said to have had little chance of survival.

Where was Buckley and Nunn? In Bourke Street, where David Jones is now. You can still see the name up high on the building.

Buckley and Nunn

Nearby, the Target Centre used to be a Coles (with a cafeteria on the first floor where we sometimes went to have a meal), I think the David Jones store on the south side of Bourke Street (with menswear in it) used to be another Coles (both of them being “variety stores” of course, not supermarkets), and the Telstra T-Life shop used to be a Billy Guyatts (where my sister once met two members of Metallica in the basement records section, roughly where Readers Feast is now).

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12 Replies to “Optimism”

  1. You’ll find there were many more department stores than there are today in Melbourne city centre. They were gradually lost over the years to shifts in retail to the suburbs amongst other things

    Buckley’s and Myer’s … sorry Myer … were the two survivors until David Jones took over Buckley’s in 1982…
    http://www.emelbourne.net.au/biogs/EM00251b.htm

    As I posted previously the Target centre was taken over in the 1950s and was formerly Manton’s Department Store. It also took over the former Hoyts Esquire theatre
    http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/pictoria/a/4/1/im/a41162.jpg

    The building containing Billy Guyatts (themselves but a memory) was Foy and Gibson (Foys) and was well known for a giant Santa on the corner at Christmas time. I believe the company was taken over by Woolworths in the 1960s (The Esquire theatre and Manton’s are just to the right of this image)
    http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/pictoria/a/5/3/im/a53077.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GsoOPQiEDGI/SUn-RwC6ulI/AAAAAAAABXA/cCK1V9gYGDw/s1600-h/Foy%27s1960s.jpg

    Outside of Bourke Street there was the Mutual Store in Flinders Street (the glass cabinets in the Degraves Street Subway were there originally for display of Mutual Store stock). The building is still there:
    http://www.emelbourne.net.au/biogs/EM01036b.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mutual_store_flinders_street_melbourne.jpg

    Ball and Welch was in Flinders Street opposite the old Gas and Fuel buildings (building also has survived), closed 1976
    http://www.emelbourne.net.au/biogs/EM00145b.htm
    http://app1.lib.unimelb.edu.au/cgi-bin/mua-search?tdetails=2359;imgdetails=2359

    There were three Coles Variety Stores in the city – the two you have pointed out and the third was in the basement, plus part of the ground floor, of the Nicholas Building in Swanston Street (this was the first of the three to open, in around 1926). There was one Woolworths Variety, opposite David Jones (Buckleys) which was demolished to make way for the Centrepoint Arcade (now Rebel Sport, Pancake Parlour, Jetty Surf, Reject Shop etc)

  2. Wow, was about to reply and had a great read of Andrew S’s comment :)

    Coles cafeteria coined a phrase often heard at dinner tables around Melbourne ( and is still chanted in our house) when someone said they preferred something other than what was being cooked for tea it would get “This isn’t Coles cafeteria, you’ll get what you’re given”.

  3. Yes, I too had a teacher in grade 5 and 6 who was of that age where she would say ‘This isn’t Coles Cafeteria you know’ referring to noisy kids eating their lunch in the classroom before going outside.

  4. Funnily enough, I was reminiscing a week or so ago with someone and mentioned that we thought it was such a big treat to be taken to Coles Cafeteria for a meal when I and my siblings were young. I remember those other stores mentioned too.

  5. The highlight of school holidays with nana back in Shepp was being taken to Coles Cafeteria for lunch. I can still picture it as clear as day in my mind.

  6. Thanks Andrew S especially; I was going from my childhood memories, but some fascinating stuff in those links.

    Yes, I particularly remember a family meal at the Coles Cafeteria when there was some special promotion whereby you got to keep the Coke glass you’d used. We had never encountered such a wondrous concept before.

  7. I have memories of the restaurant at the Co-Op Department store in Birmingham (long gone, both restaurant and store). We always had lunch there whenever we went into the City (“into town” we called it though) in the holidays. It had waitresses (something I never encountered anywhere else we ever worked). The ywere all older ladies who worked like Torjans and were all brilliant at tehir jobs.

    Once when we went there they were giving diners free champagne to celebrate an anniversary of the restaurant and I remember “our” waitress let me have a little in a glass (I was very young at the time!).

    Funny the things you recollect.

    What was the suburban Melbourne department store with the distinctive clock tower, somehwere down towards Richamnd (?). Real landmark building, on tram route 70 I think?

  8. Hot fresh donuts from Coles in Burke street around morning tea. mmmm someone from the office would pop over and get a couple of dozen..

    Also Many moons ago a worked at Buckley and Nunn when they were still called that name. It was an interesting place to work, some old some new.

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